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Postby Tyler » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:40 am


It seems criminal that Season 2 isn't on the "all time" list, but I understand the show is very hit or miss.
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Postby Tyler » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:36 am

302 wasn't as exciting as the season opener, but it was still just as captivating.

I'm glad Lily isn't dead and wasn't kidnapped. It makes total sense that a teenager who gave up her baby would feel bad about it 4 years later and would seek out the child's location and ask for custody back. Big of Norah not to fight it and give Lily back to her birth mother.

We also get to see that Erika didnt run away or do anything crazy. Again, makes total sense that her and John couldn't see eye to eye after their daughter's death and they got a divorce and she moved out of town. I couldn't get a sense of where she was living now. Somewhere between St. Louis, Kentucky, and Texas.

We learned more about Kevin's suffocation ritual. He isn't killing himself just to return to the hotel and is stopping every time at the last second. I really like that Nora didn't scream or question it. She use to hire escorts to shoot her in the chest while she wore a bullet proof vest. She can 100% relate to doing dangerous things just to feel alive. It's sad though that they both can tell each other they are happy after just witnessing that and after Nora broke her arm just to hide a tattoo.

I really liked Nora busting Kevin's balls constantly about being the second coming of Jesus. "If we can't have a sense of humor about your being the messiah, we're going to have a problem."

Plot twist. Last week's episode wasn't Old Nora, it was Radiation Nora. But seriously, what did those testimonials prove? It was just people saying they were willing to be zapped, it didn't show anything actually happening.

I was watching the episode with Corey and Feddersen. Corey said the opening credit song seemed like it was from a sitcom. It was from Perfect Strangers. I read they are doing a different song for every episode this season.

In the words of The Man Show, "and now women jumping on trampolines."

Thoughts on the Australia stuff
"And he looked at them and raised his hand, but they did not wave in response and so he raised the stone to his chest and jumped into the water" in reference to Kevin sleepwalk-waving at Evie the night the girls went missing last season.

It is October 15th in Australia because they are a day ahead of us.

Is Michael publishing The Book of Kevin online? Did these Australian women read it and then found a police chief named Kevin hoping it was our Kevin Garvey?
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The show runners used the Wu Tang Clan name generator for their names in the credits. That's fun.
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Postby cwilkins88 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:27 pm

I will start typing up some stuff after tonight's episode. I've really enjoyed this season, especially with the unexpected humor like the dog stealing the pb sandwich. Bald move has some helpful insights too.

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Postby Tyler » Mon May 01, 2017 7:09 am

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This was a pretty slow episode with Kevin Sr, but I really like it, especially with the last quarter of it. Grace's monologue was very heartbreaking. She thought her kids were raptured into heaven but they died looking for their missing parents.

I think the guy burning himself alive and saying "they didn't take me" was someone who signed up to be blasted with radiation. I think he wanted to go through the same experiment that Nora was introduced to last week, but this man was denied the chance after answering a question wrong.

I really liked Matt and Kevin Sr arguing on the phone. They are both crazy people who think what they are doing is sane, yet they view each other as insane.

When Kevin Sr was talking about doing God's Tongue and then the tv turned. I was going to freak out if he said he saw his son. That would have confirmed so many things...however! I still think this proves a lot. The scene Sr. was describing is exactly what Jr. saw when he was in the hotel. Same burning mattress, same body point, samebald God's Tongue. Does this 100% confirm supernatural elements?!
Also, the guy that gave him the drugs asked if he wanted to talk to god...he ended up talking to Jr. Kevin Jr is confirmed as god?

More about Matt. We learned in s01 he had leukemia as a kid. This season we have seen him having a nose bleed that Nora was concerned about and he was wrapped up in a blanket when talking to Sr. Did his cancer come back?

Sr. thinks he needs to sing to stop the world from ending. Jr last year had to sing to leave the hotel. Confirmed, the finale is a musical.
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Tyler wrote:Source of the post Confirmed, the finale is a musical.


Out of every analysis done so far, this is the most important.
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Postby Tyler » Wed May 03, 2017 7:01 am

Wilkins, what are your feelings on these questions?
-Did Kevin Sr. really see people building an arc, or was that a dream and possibly Grace's older dead children?
-What Kevin did Sr mean when he said "you had the wrong Kevin"?

Podcast also pointed out that every time Sr was listening to the old tape it was directly contradicting what he was trying to do.
Aussie Sr: I need to save the world from a flood.
Tape Sr: [talking about ducks] They are just holding their breath underwater. They don't need our help. See, they are fine.

Tape Sr: [Talking about assassination of president] Some people are just crazy and do crazy things that don't make sense
Aussie Sr: Doing crazy things.
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Tyler wrote:Source of the post Wilkins, what are your feelings on these questions?
-Did Kevin Sr. really see people building an arc, or was that a dream and possibly Grace's older dead children?
-What Kevin did Sr mean when he said "you had the wrong Kevin"?

Podcast also pointed out that every time Sr was listening to the old tape it was directly contradicting what he was trying to do.
Aussie Sr: I need to save the world from a flood.
Tape Sr: [talking about ducks] They are just holding their breath underwater. They don't need our help. See, they are fine.

Tape Sr: [Talking about assassination of president] Some people are just crazy and do crazy things that don't make sense
Aussie Sr: Doing crazy things.


I think he really saw people building the ARC, but this show straddles reality so much, that I'd believe either.
He just meant that the cop wasn't the right Kevin. Hard telling whether he means himself or his son. He knows the gospel is about his son, and expects that, but doesn't mean he doesn't believe he is doing his own divine intervention.

The tape was contradicting, and I noticed that, but that was also prior to the voices, I guess.
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Postby Tyler » Mon May 08, 2017 6:50 am

304 - great episode!
Will Nora and Kevin reconnect before the series finale? That was a brutal fight and I don't see them easily working past it, and that's assuming Kevin Jr isn't killed by his father and Grace.

"I borrowed your duct tape" - the duct tape that Nora saw Kevin suffocating himself with.
"We'll just tell them we are in a toxic co-dependent relationship" - Nora came up with that way too quickly.

The only reason Sr. was able to find Jr was because Jr went chasing after a random woman and ended up on TV. The only reason his name was at the hotel was because he called the front desk said his name when he asked them to turn off the TV. So many things at work to reunite these two.

Speaking of the TV, it was such a goosebumps moment when Kevin sees her on the TV. When she sent the picture to Laurie and we didn't see Laurie's phone I assumed it wasn't actually Evie, but then Nora said "yep, it's her". I really like how Laurie was able to talk Kevin into seeing the truth over the phone. The end of the conversation was the best. "Are you and Nora okay" ... "Ask John about his **** book". *hang up*

The dramatic music leading up to Kevin asking a giant Koala mascot where the library was...gold.

What explosion was Kevin Sr talking about? Why are the flights cancelled?

Question on the scientist.
1) What is up with their question? My assumption last week was correct, and that the guy burning himself alive in font of Kevin Sr. was someone who was rejected by the radiation zappers. Nora answered the question opposite, but is still denied. I think the real test is seeing how people react once they are told "no", regardless of the answer. Or they sensed Nora's true answer because of the clarifying questions she was asking before giving her final answer
2) I don't think people are actually being transported anywhere, but are people actually being zapped with radiation and being turned to dust? Do the scientist believe what they are doing or is this another cult/scam?
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Tyler wrote:Source of the post 304 - great episode!
Will Nora and Kevin reconnect before the series finale? That was a brutal fight and I don't see them easily working past it, and that's assuming Kevin Jr isn't killed by his father and Grace.

"I borrowed your duct tape" - the duct tape that Nora saw Kevin suffocating himself with.
"We'll just tell them we are in a toxic co-dependent relationship" - Nora came up with that way too quickly.

The only reason Sr. was able to find Jr was because Jr went chasing after a random woman and ended up on TV. The only reason his name was at the hotel was because he called the front desk said his name when he asked them to turn off the TV. So many things at work to reunite these two.

Speaking of the TV, it was such a goosebumps moment when Kevin sees her on the TV. When she sent the picture to Laurie and we didn't see Laurie's phone I assumed it wasn't actually Evie, but then Nora said "yep, it's her". I really like how Laurie was able to talk Kevin into seeing the truth over the phone. The end of the conversation was the best. "Are you and Nora okay" ... "Ask John about his **** book". *hang up*

The dramatic music leading up to Kevin asking a giant Koala mascot where the library was...gold.

What explosion was Kevin Sr talking about? Why are the flights cancelled?

Question on the scientist.
1) What is up with their question? My assumption last week was correct, and that the guy burning himself alive in font of Kevin Sr. was someone who was rejected by the radiation zappers. Nora answered the question opposite, but is still denied. I think the real test is seeing how people react once they are told "no", regardless of the answer. Or they sensed Nora's true answer because of the clarifying questions she was asking before giving her final answer
2) I don't think people are actually being transported anywhere, but are people actually being zapped with radiation and being turned to dust? Do the scientist believe what they are doing or is this another cult/scam?


A lot happened this episode, but the most bizarre thing in the whole hour was the music. There were like 5 different versions of Aha's Take on Me, and they somehow worked? I loved the opening music though. Just very strange.

Kevin just rekt Nora. She wasn't even angry, because she knows everything he said was correct, and she knew herself that she was dying to be with her kids. I wish that Nora would've gone first with what he wanted to talk about, because I think she would've bailed again. She only wants Justin theroux because he's sexy as hell (understandable), but doesn't care about him as a person at all, and he completely called her out on that.

When he realized it wasn't the guy's daughter, it was so sad, but its also another example of the leftovers' perfect use of music to set moods. His ex-wife did a really stupid thing to try to get the girl to pretend to be the daughter. Just....did not help, but she was just trying to help with her delusions.

I'm curious about the questions the scientists asked. I'm guessing what the question is looking for is how you felt about your answer like you said. Maybe it's because Nora was so emotionless about killing the kid, and maybe the guy did the same. Who knows.

I don't think they are being transported either. Even if they were being 'transported', unless the destination was in the immediate vicinity, they couldnt' travel there fast, or at all. There is difference of supernatural verse straight up defying the laws of physics? This show straddles the line, but has never openly defied it, except of course the departure......again, who knows.

I want to know what explosion happened that would ground all flights out of Australia. Australia is a big damn place, unless they meant just Melbourne maybe.
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Postby Tyler » Tue May 09, 2017 7:32 am

cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post She only wants Justin theroux because he's sexy as hell (understandable), but doesn't care about him as a person at all, and he completely called her out on that.

Was their relationship ever sincere? I think you're pinning too much on Nora. Both Nora and Kevin are toxic people and that somehow brought them together. They each have way too much crazy personal stuff in their lives to involve another person with it.
cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post His ex-wife did a really stupid thing to try to get the girl to pretend to be the daughter. Just....did not help, but she was just trying to help with her delusions.

I thought her plan was dumb too, but I like the callback to last season when she told him you can never tell a person they are having a psychotic break during their psychotic break
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cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post She only wants Justin theroux because he's sexy as hell (understandable), but doesn't care about him as a person at all, and he completely called her out on that.

Was their relationship ever sincere? I think you're pinning too much on Nora. Both Nora and Kevin are toxic people and that somehow brought them together. They each have way too much crazy personal stuff in their lives to involve another person with it.
cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post His ex-wife did a really stupid thing to try to get the girl to pretend to be the daughter. Just....did not help, but she was just trying to help with her delusions.

I thought her plan was dumb too, but I like the callback to last season when she told him you can never tell a person they are having a psychotic break during their psychotic break

Yes, but telling him where she worked instead of saying she couldn't find her online might've been better?

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cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post Yes, but telling him where she worked instead of saying she couldn't find her online might've been better?

True! Why even give up that information?
I also wanted to call BS on Kevin remembering her name, Laurie spelling it right, and finding her Facebook page so easily.
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Tyler wrote:Source of the post
cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post Yes, but telling him where she worked instead of saying she couldn't find her online might've been better?

True! Why even give up that information?
I also wanted to call BS on Kevin remembering her name, Laurie spelling it right, and finding her Facebook page so easily.


Remembering the name is something I could've lived with, but the spelling on the first try. Laurie is a person of the world apparently, because that would never happen for most people.
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Postby cwilkins88 » Mon May 15, 2017 8:57 am

S03E05 - This was a very good episode, but nothing really substantial happened, except in the internal thought process of Matt.

This episode was very interesting, because the episode only served to show two things 1) They needed to go to Australia to get Kevin and 2) Show that Matt just doesn't care anymore.

The Australia trip was all very coincidental, and they met David Burton, who was just a normal man and then died during a climbing accident, and then came back and was 'God'. Matt hates him for being blasphemous, but then ends up internalizing all of his life-long feelings to this tied up man as if he actually were god, and in turn, finds the answers he's been needing to hear, and basically quits the urgency of finding Kevin. Not sure whether he plans on giving up entirely, or if he's now willing to see what happens in Australia, as opposed to Miracle.

The interesting part of the David Burton sideplot, is this is the third time we've seen or heard him in the show. The first time, he was on the news for dying in a climbing accident, and then emerging from the cave (can't remember whether this was one episode or two separate). The second time was when Kevin went to the hotel, he was the MC for the Karaokee. The third time was when Kevin was at the hotel, when he was talking to Patti on the bridge, David burton was there holding the noose on the bridge.

I'm assuming David Burton just hadn't left yet in the two times Kevin was there, as the timelines aren't technically 1-1 with the real life.

Kevin remembers David at the hotel, but it could just be because he saw him on the news. Who knows.

The other interesting things are with the lion chowing down on his face. The bible passage Matt was reading was about Daniel with the lion, which basically was, that if you have faith, that god would make it so the lions couldn't open your mouth and eat you. Well, he clearly was full of it, as his faith was ripped off.

Just some interesting turn of events.

What frustrated me was when they were talking about the dead daughter that Kevin saw, Laurie told Matt, but didn't tell him even most of the story to show that he was being delusional. Just said he saw her, not that he took a picture, wasn't her, confronted her. etc.
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Postby Tyler » Mon May 15, 2017 9:35 am

Ignoring your post Wilkins. I didn't watch last night!
Skipping video games tonight to watch this and American Gods
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Postby Tyler » Tue May 16, 2017 9:13 am

cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post except in the internal thought process of Matt.

That was so great. It doesn't matter if David was God or not, Matt was saying the things aloud that he has been thinking about God.

cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post The interesting part of the David Burton sideplot, is this is the third time we've seen or heard him in the show.

I remember all these because #superfan.
I like your idea that it either confirms both Kevin and David were in limbo together, or Kevin was just having a dream and remembered the guy because he was famous and on TV claiming to be God.

cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post What frustrated me was when they were talking about the dead daughter that Kevin saw, Laurie told Matt, but didn't tell him even most of the story to show that he was being delusional. Just said he saw her, not that he took a picture, wasn't her, confronted her. etc.

Right. "It was 100% not her, I have this picture to prove it"

Did the nuke shot off by the naked sub operator hit anything substantial? Did it just detonate the sub or in the ocean?
The news station reporting the nuke was ACN, the news company from The Newsroom
Edit: I think it hit a small pacific island?
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Postby cwilkins88 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:37 am

Tyler wrote:Source of the post Did the nuke shot off by the naked sub operator hit anything substantial? Did it just detonate the sub or in the ocean?
The news station reporting the nuke was ACN, the news company from The Newsroom
Edit: I think it hit a small pacific island?


Didn't notice the ACN thing, that's really cool. I'm also not sure where it hit, I know it said South Pacific, but i didn't catch where exactly.

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