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Postby Blue Jackets » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:56 am

From master story teller, Guillermo del Toro, comes THE SHAPE OF WATER - an other-worldly fairy tale, set against the backdrop of Cold War era America circa 1963. In the hidden high-security government laboratory where she works, lonely Elisa (Sally Hawkins) is trapped in a life of silence and isolation. Elisa’s life is changed forever when she and co-worker Zelda (Octavia Spencer) discover a secret classified experiment. Rounding out the cast are Michael Shannon, Richard Jenkins, Michael Stuhlbarg and Doug Jones.

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Postby wags83 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:01 am

So it's about the fish guy from Hellboy?
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Postby tylersucks » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:40 am

Reminds me of Bioshock. Could be an interesting movie.
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Postby wags83 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:08 am

wags83 wrote:Source of the post So it's about the fish guy from Hellboy?

This is actually a thing people think. The eggs are what made me think of it.
https://www.inverse.com/article/34393-h ... o-del-toro
Master filmmaker Guillermo del Toro walked away from the world of Mike Mignola’s Hellboy after his 2008 movie sequel, Hellboy II: The Golden Army underperformed at the box office. But that hasn’t stopped fans from thinking del Toro’s next movie, The Shape of Water, is a Hellboy prequel in disguise. It’s not, but fans just want del Toro to make a third Hellboy movie so badly, they’re trying hard to convince themselves they’re getting something.

On Wednesday, Fox Searchlight released the trailer for The Shape of Water, a gothic drama set during the Cold War in which a mute woman (Sally Hawkins) forms a bond with an amphibious humanoid (Doug Jones) who is being held captive as a science experiment. Because of the strong visual similarities between The Shape of Water and del Toro’s Hellboy — not to mention that both films feature a blue-ish fish man played by Jones — fans think The Shape of Water is about a younger version of Abe Sapien from the Hellboy movies.

In del Toro’s Hellboy and Hellboy II, Abe Sapien — an agent for the top secret BPRD (Bureau for Paranormal Research) — is a genius telepath who enjoys books, classical music, and snacking on eggs. Those character traits are uncannily shared by the new creature in The Shape of Water, and it would make sense that a mute could form a bond with a primitive creature if that creature actually has telepathic abilities.

Legally speaking, there is no way del Toro would be allowed to make a prequel to Hellboy, not the least of which is because a reboot is already in development by director Neil Marshall, whose credits include some of the biggest episodes of Game of Thrones. Still, fans in the comments section of YouTube — a section of the internet that should generally be avoided — are pointing out how much The Shape of Water looks like Hellboy.

Of course, not all fans are that convinced. Some are just pointing out similarities, while others are just excited to see the next joint from del Toro. Meanwhile, the sci-fi horror film Life never turned out to be a prequel to Venom, so maybe fans ought to calm down just a little.
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Postby cwilkins88 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:11 am

This looks like one of those movies like Pete's Dragon or Fly Away home, where there is some kid that has to protect some secret monster/animal for whatever reason, and its all good, but some asshole is like WE HATE THAT GUY, LETS KIILL it, and then they do a family style escape from witch mountain montage.

I mean...i feel like I've seen this movie already.
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Postby purple_hayes » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:00 pm

cwilkins88 wrote:Source of the post This looks like one of those movies like Pete's Dragon or Fly Away home, where there is some kid that has to protect some secret monster/animal for whatever reason, and its all good, but some asshole is like WE HATE THAT GUY, LETS KIILL it, and then they do a family style escape from witch mountain montage.

I mean...i feel like I've seen this movie already.


You have seen this... its the prequel to Hellboy.
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Postby Tyler » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:19 am

Out this week. At 98%
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Postby cwilkins88 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:45 am

Wow, that's good ratings. I was liking the preview for this, excited to see it now.
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Postby Tyler » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:43 am

Wilkins took me to this a few days again, just in time for all of the Oscar nominations.

I thought it was good and unique, but it's not making it to the top of my 2017 movie list. Sally Hawkins gave the performance of a lifetime without ever talking (except for the dream sequence). All of the supporting roles were great too. Giles learning his lover was a homophobe and a racist all within 10 seconds of each other was great motivation for him to help. Michael Shannon is amazing as always.

My biggest problem: Why did Dimitri name the ladies?! He was going to die regardless and by naming them he just doomed them and the monster he risked saving. Just list random Russian names.

Elisa seemed to fall in love with the fishman waaaay to easily and her best friend was way too okay with them having teh s3x. It was a great ending when her scars turned to gills, but I would have liked to see their relationship grow slower. I wasn't expecting him to broken out around the 60% mark.
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Postby wags83 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:57 pm

We went to this last night. I really liked the overall story. My issue was that I would find myself suspending my disbelief for pretty much all of it but suddenly think to myself "That bitch is f**kin' a fish monster, that's super weird."
Tyler wrote:Source of the post Elisa seemed to fall in love with the fishman waaaay to easily and her best friend was way too okay with them having teh s3x.

I 100% agree with this. She didn't even try not to fall in love with him, it was almost instantly. And then her friend finds out and is just like "Oh girrrrrrl, you got some!" as if it was any other guy.
Tyler wrote:Source of the post It was a great ending when her scars turned to gills

I totally called this before it happened.
Tyler wrote:Source of the post My biggest problem: Why did Dimitri name the ladies?! He was going to die regardless and by naming them he just doomed them and the monster he risked saving. Just list random Russian names.

Good point, I didn't think of that. I think in the moment he was more telling him that it was the cleaners almost as a way to make fun of Michael Shannon for not finding out when they were right under his nose. One last middle finger before he died.
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Postby wags83 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:59 pm

Another thing I was curious about, what happens with Richard Jenkins character? The government people come at the end and he's standing over a bleeding out/dead Michael Shannon and Elisa, his neighbor who he's with often, is now missing. No way the government doesn't throw him under the bus as a murderer to cover up the fish man escaping situation.
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Postby Erin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:04 pm

I hadn't read anything about this movie before seeing it last night. I agree it was a very unique story and I found it kept my interest. It's a mix of a melancholy and hopeful feeling that these characters were all bonded over the fact that they've been alone.

Agreed on points made, especially about Dimitri since he was their accomplice. I thought he'd say "no names, no title.....nothing" Not sure why he felt the need to give in on his last breaths.

Overall great acting and very artsy. I wouldn't be surprised if this took home a lot of the awards it's nominated for.

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Postby Tyler » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:56 pm

wags83 wrote:Source of the post I totally called this before it happened.

Think she actually survived and transformed? It was her friend narrating what he hoped happened. We never saw the fish guy transform anyone before, just heal...but... it was mentioned that Elisa was found by the river with cuts on her neck. What if the "cuts" were gills all along and the fish guy didn't give her gills, but rather healed them from being sewed shut.

wags83 wrote:Source of the post "That bitch is f**kin' a fish monster, that's super weird."

LOL. So true
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Postby purple_hayes » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:08 pm

Tyler wrote:Source of the post
My biggest problem: Why did Dimitri name the ladies?! He was going to die regardless and by naming them he just doomed them and the monster he risked saving. Just list random Russian names.


You may want to rewatch this. Dimitri never named them... he dropped a hint as to them being the cleaning crew, but didn't name anyone. I believe it was his attempt to be coy with someone he despised.

Did you notice anything weird about the coloring? Everything is blue, teal, or green. Except when there are moments of red. One theory is that green indicates someone being false and red as the truth.
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Postby Tyler » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:22 pm

You're splitting hairs. Him saying it was the cleaning ladies is as good as naming them. He had to have known he was giving them up by even saying that.
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Postby Blue Jackets » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:38 am

‘Shape of Water' Is Top-Grossing Best Picture Winner in Five Years
To date, Shape of Water has grossed $57.4 million domestically and $126.4 million worldwide

The Fox Searchlight movie is the top-grossing best picture winner since Argo five years ago, and Argo was a major studio release. Directed by Ben Affleck, Argo earned $136 million domestically and $232 million worldwide for Warner Bros.
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Postby purple_hayes » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:03 am

Tyler wrote:Source of the post You're splitting hairs. Him saying it was the cleaning ladies is as good as naming them. He had to have known he was giving them up by even saying that.


Without giving up a hint of the cleaning ladies... you would never have the climactic confrontation that it set up. You'd have Dimitri's death be the climax of the movie. Soooo.... he had to give them up.

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